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Postby Iam The Ghost on Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:50 pm

1. Turning Away
Really good opener, I love how it builds up slowly, first just piano, a little guitar, but when the vocals begin the instrumentals go soft in the background and then everything gets harder until the true Sum 41-ish chorus. The melody reminds me Breaking the Chains, with faster tempo of course. I especially love the part where Deryck sings 'I don't even want to try' with outstretched 'try', it just gets me everytime how good it sounds. I also think this song holds itself better than the opener songs from previously: I mean Reason to Believe is one of my favourite and I like A Murder of Crows very much, but they feel like they were created for the purpose to be an album opener than an actual standalone song.

2. Out for Blood
I said some bad stuff about this song earlier, but honestly it's grown on me big time! I still don't like the lyrics, but musically the more I listen to it, the more I like it. The variety of its structure is phenomenal, how it changes highlighting the guitar riffs, then drums, then vocals, then they all blend together… In the end, I learned how to love this song.

3. The New Sensation
I think this the biggest surprise of the album. I mean, I don't remember anyone talked about this song, I don't think the bandmembers mentioned or made a note about it, despite the fact how awesome it is! The rhythm of the whole track is super-catchy, I can't stop headbanging, and they way Deryck changes up the vocals between the two verses is great! I feel some similarity to There Will Be Blood, also some Muse vibe, but the bridge part where the vocal is lower, dark, then gets stronger screamy-like is totally reminds me of Marliyn Manson and I'm totally loving it! I think this song can easly become a fan-favourite, it has even an athem feeling that the crowd could singalong through a live show.

4. A Death in the Family
As with Out for Blood, I like its music structure and how Deryck tries some different vocals. I've listened to this song now many times and it wears out a little bit, I'm not that excited about this song when the album comes to it. I like the chorus, but towards the end it gets tiring, I feel it should have needed some shake-up.

5. Heads Will Roll
It's good that after some heavy sounds we come to something different. It starts with some blues/country feeling and I think Deryck's voice fits with it perfectly. I like its melody and rhythm, but I miss some changing-up, some parts get stronger and harder, but overall it's draging out the same notes and gets monotone.

6. 45 (A Matter of Time)
I'm not really into politics, and here, Trump barely affects my weekdays, I only know about him by the news and late night shows which always mock and make a fun of him. So I get the anger towards him, and we have a similiar right-wing leader, but I only know this side of him and as I see there're some actual supporter of him, so I wouldn't jump into the obvious politic part, the lyrics… I just like the heavy, energetic instrumentals, the aggresive vocals and the overall anger of the song that needs to come out from the band. I actually prefer the verse than the chorus, the latter sounds a little bit flat to me, like we've heard it many times before in many Sum 41 songs. Btw, what I noticed in the videoclip immediately is the animated character looks exactly like a Rick&Morty character. It just funny to me. :devious:

7. Never There
Such a beautiful ballad, gorgeous melody, it got me instantly. I'm not sure, but I think Deryck spent so much more time to write this lyrics compared to the others, its personal and really honest and it shows how much he worked on this one. ALthough, as I said before, I can't relate to it, I've tried to find someone in my life that I could connect the song's words to, but I don't think there is, nevertheless Deryck's feelings are reflected undoubtedly, so even without his experience I can enjoy it too. I also want to highlight the last 'That we're left, stuck with a broken house' singing part, where Deryck sings as a louder shouting voice, I just love it!

8. Eat You Alive
The only song I can't really dig. After many listens I get to like the intrumental parts, the heavy sounds, but I really miss some good melody, it's just plain for me and the vocal parts don't do anything interesting either. I don't say I skip this song, but I almost completely forget about it when it ends.

9. The People Vs…
Another surprise to me. I mean I've heard it live, it was ok, but I enjoy it on the album more than I thought I would be. So fast and heavy, a real punk-rock headbanger, with a simple, but catchy chorus. And yeah, we know who this is about again, but I think it's easier to connect to other people, any leader, dictator or just to a 'bad man' who you hate. Also, it sounds awesome live and great opportunity for people steam their rage out.

10. Catching Fire
It shows again that Deryck can write lyrics if he really makes the effort and spends time for it. I could actually see that he could release a soft solo album, just him with a guitar and piano, 'cause they fit him very well, I'd really want to see what he could create. Anyway, this song contain more than those, and I love that little electric guitar piece at the beginning and how it builds to something more with the drums as well. It also has some haunting, but hopeful vibe, big applause from me to Deryck for his producing skills. The melody is super-catchy again, the vocals are top-notch (even with all those effects). And I know it's common to say that it's about Chester, but I don't think it. Yeah, it could affect the writing, some lyrics part are easy to connect with that tragic event, but I don't think Deryck and Chester were that close friends, I don't think they had any connection other than hang out a little bit when they had a show together… I might be totally wrong and I don't want to sound disrecpectful, but even though Chester was a huge impact for the music industry, not everything is about him, we don't have to tie everything to him. There were other suicide tragedies in recent years that shook Deryck and I believe he's spoken about them. And most of all: Deryck has told the story many times, that he wrote this song when his wife was out, he was alone, and he got this sad feeling that what it would be like for him to lose her. It's a song about love. And that's what I would like to hang on, it's much more appealing to me. Anyway, a beautiful ballad that shows again how amazing can be the band's soft side.

All in all: the more I listen to this album, the more I love it, can't stop listening to, and although I can't rank them, it's definitely one of my favourite from Sum 41. My only complaint is ironically the same: I love the album, but as a whole piece. There's not a highlight standout track, a single, that I would pick and just listen to that individually. If I should recommend to a stranger only one song that define Order in Decline, I couldn't choose, I prefer the whole thing together. I guess it's a good and also a bad thing: kudos for the band how cohesive it is, the whole pack stands together greatly, but I also miss some standout track that I could proudly pick out and say: that's may favourite!

Whatever, I'm still a proud Skumfuk! :2cool4u:
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Postby JD95 on Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:04 pm

Because people will clap if you shit on trump and take the easy route without much substance...
I swear some of the political lyrics sound like a 14 year old wrote them to be honest.

I do love the album tho, I just have a rotten core :P
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Re: OID thoughts/reviews (The Leak Thread)

Postby sprinks41 on Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:40 pm

The album is still growing on me but as of now I agree with the opinion of mostly everyone else: it's good as a whole, definitely not a standout track anywhere. Probably because the sound through the whole thing is SOOOOO cohesive, it makes picking a favorite more difficult.

But I would like to give a huge shout-out to Nic, Heather, Tomi, and Amin for Deryck mentioning them in his "thank you" section of the album liner notes! Social media has pretty much taken over the world so TNS isn't as active as it used to be, but you guys are the reason TNS is still up and running so Skumfuks can keep up-to-date on anything and everything related to the band. And the fact that you're able to be in direct communication to them makes you very lucky and the rest of us very envious haha! Seriously, kudos to the 4 of you!
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Re: OID thoughts/reviews (The Leak Thread)

Postby PTswim41 on Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:05 pm

The album is at #7 on the iTunes USA charts and #2 on the rock charts. I’m trying to remember back to previous releases. I remember UH being that high but definitely not SBM or 13 voices. Definitely cool to see the album being well received.
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Re: OID thoughts/reviews (The Leak Thread)

Postby Jeremy Kill on Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:40 am

Order In Decline is basically the sound I craved from the band after they released Chuck. I wanted that heavier/aggressive style with solos, but more upbeat than the majority of Chuck. To be honest though, they achieved that for me already when they released Screaming Bloody Murder and 13 Voices.

I think Turning Away, A Death In the Family, 45, and The People Vs rank amongst my favourite songs off the album. I like the fast riffs and upbeat vibes, but I also like the drama that comes off of Turning Away.

In terms of political statements/songs, I feel 45 makes a better "the president sucks" song than March of the Dogs or The Jester ever did.

Took a while for The New Sensation and Eat You Alive to sink in, especially the latter. The former really reminds me of Muse, which isn't a bad thing by any means. I'm glad the band is exploring different sounds.

I thought Catching Fire was good, but I feel the interviews hyped it up too much, haha. I actually think I prefer the acoustic version to the original. In terms of an album closer, I don't know if anything can beat Twisted by Design for me. With all the events that occurred before that song was written, it just seemed so fitting when I heard it for the first time.

The ballads are probably the best they've ever been, I think. Especially if you're taking into account the raw emotion. Like, Crash is good, but that didn't actually happen to Deryck, Never There did. (I know Deryck saw the crash that happened, but he wasn't the one dying... that's what I mean by that in case you're wondering, haha)

Overall, this album has a lot of character and does not sound like a band running on fumes. It's an album made by a band that just knows what kind of music they want to make and go ahead and do it regardless of everything else. I think it's somewhat an improvement from 13 Voices, but some songs off that album can't really be overshadowed for me (ie. A Murder of Crows, Goddamn Im Dead Again, and Twisted by Design).
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Re: OID thoughts/reviews (The Leak Thread)

Postby Z234 on Sat Jul 20, 2019 1:47 am

Jeremy Kill wrote:Order In Decline is basically the sound I craved from the band after they released Chuck. I wanted that heavier/aggressive style with solos, but more upbeat than the majority of Chuck. To be honest though, they achieved that for me already when they released Screaming Bloody Murder and 13 Voices.

I think Turning Away, A Death In the Family, 45, and The People Vs rank amongst my favourite songs off the album. I like the fast riffs and upbeat vibes, but I also like the drama that comes off of Turning Away.

In terms of political statements/songs, I feel 45 makes a better "the president sucks" song than March of the Dogs or The Jester ever did.


My thoughts almost exactly. From the time A Death In The Family was released (which I think is one of their best songs post-comeback) I've been hoping that this album would live up to that sound and it definitely delivered, in my opinion. While there are some great high points on 13 Voices (Fake My Own Death, Goddamn I'm Dead Again, Twisted By Design), I also found it to be a little all over the place and with too many like recycled ideas. Sonically, much of OID sounds fresh and I think it's the best production work Deryck has done.

JD95 wrote:Because people will clap if you shit on trump and take the easy route without much substance...
I swear some of the political lyrics sound like a 14 year old wrote them to be honest.

I do love the album tho, I just have a rotten core :P


If that's really your complaint, I'm not sure where you found substantive politic songs in their discography pre-OID. I think it's been very clear that Deryck writes from almost a purely emotional standpoint, usually in non-specific terms to the listener. Even in the UH era songs mentioned by Jeremy in the other quoted text, the intent in the music never seemed to be about specificity. Sure, they were about Bush or the case of OID about Trump, but Deryck wasn't breaking down immigration reform in the lyrics. I think Chuck is probably their most socially conscious and "political" album (before this one), and I don't think it even mentions the government. Also, the idea that THIS (even as personal and somewhat vague as it is) is the easy route when most of their contemporaries are making bank off of ideologically neutered pop songs - is just wrong.
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Re: OID thoughts/reviews (The Leak Thread)

Postby The Farty One on Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:58 am

They've done plenty of political songs. Lyrically I think the Jester is actually more interesting than the ones on OID but that seemed much more like a protest against the institution of the presidency rather than this.
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Postby Max on Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:48 pm

I'm enjoying Turning Away and a couple of other tracks but for me, this album doesn't feel like anything new, it feels like part 3 of the SBM-era.

I'm grateful for new music but if I was being critical I would love to see a new direction, concept album or a new sound, HHOP/AKNF/DTLI/Chuck/UH are all easily distinguishable whereas the past 3 albums are all cut from the same cloth. Even though Deryck is a fantastic producer, this album could have really benefited from someone different to help it stand out from the past two.

I hope the next album they mix things up a lot more.

If I wasn't being critical, fuck yeah, heavy music, riffs, solos, will certainly be at the next live show, as always.
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Postby The Farty One on Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:58 am

I think this is more the upgrade of 13 Voices than part of the Screaming Bloody Murder era. I think it's actually quite logical, Deryck struggled with writing 13 Voices a lot more and Dave came in very late. They've learned to work as a 5 piece in the last 5 years.

That being said, I hope this is enough for them to do a little more things differently.

I've listened to the album a lot more and it's grown on me. Catching Fire acoustic is amazing and I'm really digging The New Sensation a lot too.
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Re: OID thoughts/reviews (The Leak Thread)

Postby TomiT14 on Fri Aug 02, 2019 10:56 pm

sprinks41 wrote:But I would like to give a huge shout-out to Nic, Heather, Tomi, and Amin for Deryck mentioning them in his "thank you" section of the album liner notes! Social media has pretty much taken over the world so TNS isn't as active as it used to be, but you guys are the reason TNS is still up and running so Skumfuks can keep up-to-date on anything and everything related to the band. And the fact that you're able to be in direct communication to them makes you very lucky and the rest of us very envious haha! Seriously, kudos to the 4 of you!


Thanks man! Appreciate your words! Haha, yeah sometimes it has felt like talking to myself here, but this place feels like a family of sorts. We've been through so much together, so I wouldn't want this place to die because of social media. :silly:

Haha, sometimes I need to pinch myself to make sure this is all true. I know I've been super lucky to get to know the band, and I'll never take that for granted. I know there are A LOT of superfans here that would deserve a chance to meet the band as well.
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Re: OID thoughts/reviews (The Leak Thread)

Postby gejmik on Fri Aug 09, 2019 3:53 pm

TomiT14 wrote:
sprinks41 wrote:But I would like to give a huge shout-out to Nic, Heather, Tomi, and Amin for Deryck mentioning them in his "thank you" section of the album liner notes! Social media has pretty much taken over the world so TNS isn't as active as it used to be, but you guys are the reason TNS is still up and running so Skumfuks can keep up-to-date on anything and everything related to the band. And the fact that you're able to be in direct communication to them makes you very lucky and the rest of us very envious haha! Seriously, kudos to the 4 of you!


Thanks man! Appreciate your words! Haha, yeah sometimes it has felt like talking to myself here, but this place feels like a family of sorts. We've been through so much together, so I wouldn't want this place to die because of social media. :silly:

Haha, sometimes I need to pinch myself to make sure this is all true. I know I've been super lucky to get to know the band, and I'll never take that for granted. I know there are A LOT of superfans here that would deserve a chance to meet the band as well.

It is like a family to me and to many people I think. I grew up with TNS, I remember coming back from school and the first thing I did was going on TNS, checking new posts, reacting to others, it will never be like back then again but I'm so glad that it keeps going.
I'l never forget SBM premiere, which we "listened together" while on MSN, it was I think 4AM for me, so alarm for 3, starting and getting together with others, Tomi, Jeremy, Mitchell, and all the other skumfuks that woke up in the middle of the night, haha.
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Re: OID thoughts/reviews (The Leak Thread)

Postby TomiT14 on Sat Aug 10, 2019 12:46 am

gejmik wrote:
TomiT14 wrote:
sprinks41 wrote:But I would like to give a huge shout-out to Nic, Heather, Tomi, and Amin for Deryck mentioning them in his "thank you" section of the album liner notes! Social media has pretty much taken over the world so TNS isn't as active as it used to be, but you guys are the reason TNS is still up and running so Skumfuks can keep up-to-date on anything and everything related to the band. And the fact that you're able to be in direct communication to them makes you very lucky and the rest of us very envious haha! Seriously, kudos to the 4 of you!


Thanks man! Appreciate your words! Haha, yeah sometimes it has felt like talking to myself here, but this place feels like a family of sorts. We've been through so much together, so I wouldn't want this place to die because of social media. :silly:

Haha, sometimes I need to pinch myself to make sure this is all true. I know I've been super lucky to get to know the band, and I'll never take that for granted. I know there are A LOT of superfans here that would deserve a chance to meet the band as well.

It is like a family to me and to many people I think. I grew up with TNS, I remember coming back from school and the first thing I did was going on TNS, checking new posts, reacting to others, it will never be like back then again but I'm so glad that it keeps going.
I'l never forget SBM premiere, which we "listened together" while on MSN, it was I think 4AM for me, so alarm for 3, starting and getting together with others, Tomi, Jeremy, Mitchell, and all the other skumfuks that woke up in the middle of the night, haha.


Oh damn, the memories! Those were exciting times! :2cool4u:
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